Saturday, October 28, 2006

The Big One
This was like "The Big One". The enormous earthquake that's supposed to devastate the US in the sometime eminent future. Aunt Ju-Ju & I never got a chance to talk on Friday. Bill came home furious with me. He had a few choice words. He was really angry. He calmed down a bit & we talked. He really wanted me to call his mom to apologize. "I'm not going to just roll over & let her think that everything is OK. I'll sit down & talk to her. I'll explain why I feel like I do. I'll try to work it out", I compromised.

I called her up & said that we needed to talk. Bill really wanted to spend time as a family & for his Dad to see Logan. She said OK. They came over & took a look at the house as I finished feeding Logan his snack. Then I let him loose on the floor & to play with Grandpa L. We sat there for a while deciding on when to go out for dinner. I said that I wanted to talk before dinner, in hopes of coming to a resolution so we could all eat in peace.

Bill & Grandpa L left while Grandma L & I sat at the kitchen table. I had put some of my thoughts down on paper so I made sense & didn't ramble. So I could giver her specific events to when she crossed the line. I made sure to stay calm. I didn't raise my voice. I didn't make a scene. I explained that my issues were with over-stepping of bounds. I told her that I know I'm not easy to get along with when I'm holding a grudge. I gave examples of why I feel like I do. I explained the boundaries that I wanted & was comfortable with. She denied everything & threw a fit.

She sat there & said she didn't remember any of these events. She resented that I wrote my thoughts down. She said I was making it all up. That I was twisting & taking things out of context. She kept rolling her eyes. She called me a "little bitch" & said that she was done with me.

She left & shortly there after Bill stormed in. I tried to explain to him that all I did was try to explain myself. I tried to let her know why I felt like I did & resolve our differences. She wanted nothing to do with it. She said that she would like to see him & Logan again, but never wants to see me at all. He left saying that he didn't want to talk to me.

He slept in the other bedroom & went to work this morning. He usually doesn't work on Saturdays. When he left, he said we would talk when he got home. While at work he sent me a text message saying that he loved me. He had cooled off some & was ready to talk. He wanted to get this behind us. He went to lunch with them & would come home after.

He got home & I explained what happened. I know it's difficult for him. I told him that I tried. I was calm & reasonable. She was angry that I was organized & had specifics as to when she made major offenses. She resorted to name calling, denying everything, storming out & writing me off. He talked about how much stress he's under & how uncomfortable lunch was without me & Logan there. I told him that I didn't want visits with Logan to be without me there too. We are a family & we stick together as a family. Bill & I held hands as I cried & he sighed.

He asked if I would go to the park with the family. I said yes. I wasn't the one who said that they never wanted to see anyone again. I was willing to participate in whatever was going on. He called Grandma L to let her know we would all go. She said she wanted to come over & talk to me again. I said OK.

She came over, but wouldn't come inside. We talked out on the driveway. I was calm again, but firm with my stand. We rehashed part of yesterdays conversation of specific events & boundary issues. She rolled her eyes & continued to disrespect me. I told her that all I want is some respect. Respect our family & our boundaries. I told her that I know I shouldn't have told her to stop, I should have asked her to. She wanted to delve into my childhood history & play psychologist. "I'm not going to go into that. What happened happened. It's not the issue now. Our history is what makes us the way we are. All of us", I said. She then wanted to know how often I left Logan alone, like he was a hermit child. "Logan isn't locked away in the house all day long. We go to play groups, we go shopping, Bill is home more & we all go out. He's not a little hermit". She rolled her eyes again & then asked if Bill ever watched him without me. "He watches him when I go to the gym & I'm fine with that". She kept trying to see if Bill & I were united & questioned our communication. She kept asking if it was me that made these decisions & if Bill knew about them. She wanted Bill & Logan to visit them without me. I told her no. That was never going to happen. We are a family unit & will stay that way. She said that she wasn't comfortable with that or our boundaries. Then she got in her car & drove off.

So now I've talked to her twice. She flipped out both times. I've tried & that's all I can do. I've been willing to talk, to work things out. I've been calm & collected. I've stood my ground. I will not be disrespected anymore & she knows it. That's exactly why she's freaking out. Because I won't be bullied into letting her play mommy & manipulate our marriage, or manipulate our family.

I know Bill is having a very difficult time. It really hurts to see him so stressed. But he has been wonderful. Our communication has been strong though this & our relationship will only get stronger.

12 comments:

liz said...

Sweet jaysus.

There are no words.

Except that you'll find a way to get through this. As a family. And you'll find a way to be with eachother and with the grandmother

But, still: sweet jaysus.

Anonymous said...

Without YOU, there is no family.
Without YOU, there would be no Logan.

Good for you to be so firm in your resolve. I'm sure it's hard for Bill, because it's his mother. But it sounds like he's coming around.. and this will make YOUR family stronger!

Best wishes!

Anonymous said...

You truly are a BITCH! This women is only visiting! Soon she will be gone and you wont even have to worry about it! I think you should have just keeped your mouth shut!

Anonymous said...

Grow up! Are you that insecure with your relationship between you and your husband , and the bond between you and your child! there is a bond between a mother and a child that no one can ever come between! no matter how many "bounderies" anyone steps on, over, through, or whatever. I think you love the drama, you have a major resentment against the mil, for whatever reason.I'm a mother of 2,ages 12 and 9 years. People,friends, family, etc. all have their opinions, advice, ways of parenting, that gets given whether you want it or not! It's up to you to take it or leave it, and yes some you must take with a grain of salt! Yes you,child, hubby are a family unit, but you also have his family, your family and you all need to get along! Everything this woman has done is typical grandma behavior!!!! Let her be a Grandma and enjoy her grandchild! Nothing she does will interfear with your relationship with your baby!! Ya it might not be the way you do it, but it's not about you! You can't always have everything your way, you've got to learn to give a little! Here's an example of bounderies overstepped.... In labor and delivery , myself and my husband with the birth of my first child, we had no plans of anyone else attending the birth, a grandma stopped by to visit, she stayed and stayed, mom called to check on progress, asked if grandma was still there, then asked to speak to grandma, then you hear grandma "I will not leave untill I see my 1st great grandson be born!!" Mom then says we can get the nurse to escort grandma out but as I thought about, I said no, you just better get here quick, so you can both be here! And I wouldn't have changed it for anything in the world. By the time of my second child, all my grandma got to see was the ultrasound picture so she knew it was a girl, At the time we lived out of Utah, I told my husband if grandma was still here, we would be comming to utah so she could witness this birth also! 1 month after seeing the ultrasound she died!And then 3 months after that anothe grandma died, a month after that my daughter was born. Life is too short to dwell on your petty bounderies! If I didn't have the support of my family, grandmas, grandpas, aunts, uncles, etc. for my children to interact with, and to go to for support, advice etc., it would be a pretty lonely life. So what if mil wants to baby him, and wipe his nose when he's sick, and care for him so you can rest, LET HER HELP ,LET HER BE A GRANDMA! You are the child's mother no one and nothing will ever change that!Be gratefull you have family who wants to be there for you! My family is always there for me, I don't know what I'd do without them. My hubby's family not there or rarely! they are missing out on their grandchildren, but then again they weren't even there for their own kids.So grow up be a real mother let this child enjoy his family, and let them enjoy him !They only visit him you are raising him!!!

Anonymous said...

Wow, some really angry people here. Geez. The one main thing I needed to say to ya is that I was appalled that she called you a "bitch". THAT was overstepping some boundaries and regardless of any of this you NEVER deserved that. Keep your head up! Things will get alot better especially since you and your husband seem to have such a wonderful relationship. No one here typing comments is LIVING in your situation. You of all people truly know how things are.

Kristin said...

The funny thing about the two anonymous comments is that they don't know the whole story. The back story of what happened before Logan was born & how that effected the marriage. I will not let that happen in our parenthood.

You teach people how to treat you. Yes, they are visiting now. But they will move here in the next couple of years. Whatever behavior is OK now, it will carry over & it could very well be worse.

I'm not writing off anyone, saying that I never want to see them again. I'm just telling MIL to not play mommy. She had her chance. She's had 2 kids. Just because she has a grandchild, doesn't mean she gets to "do it all over again". If she really feels that way, then I suggest foster parenting or adoption.

While I agree that the nose wiping is very minor, it was the straw that broke the camels back. Especially when I heard him cry. I don't care if he cries if Bill or I take care of him, but I do care if anyone else does. I don't care if it was Jesus Christ himself, I would've been uneasy about it. I told MIL that I know I should have gone about it differently. She rolled her eyes & never said anything about calling me names.

What works for some doesn't work for others. So whatever boundaries were crossed & it was OK for that family, it wouldn't be the same for anyone else.

I refuse to continue feeling like the donating uterus while she's here.

Anonymous said...

I have been reading your blog for awhile and decided to take the time to comment because I see some similarities in our lives. Trust me when I say that you aren't going to win any battles by making Bill (and eventually Logan) choose between you and Bill's mother...even if you see this as standing your ground or not letting her walk all over you, the result is that you're putting Bill in a position to have to take (or mediate) sides. Even when they choose you, you won't win.

Your MIL should not have called you a bitch...that, in my opinion, was an example of her being disrespectful, but not seeing her place in your family in the same way that you see her place in your family is a difference of perspective that, like it or not, you contribute to as much as she does (even if it is your family). And it really doesn't matter who is right, unless being right is more important to you than allowing the husband and son you love to have a relationship with their mother/grandmother that is based on their relationship and not your issues with Bill's mother.

What are you going to do when Logan grows up and wants to know why he doesn't have a relationship with his grandmother like all his friends have with their own? Are you going to tell him, "Well, she couldn't wait to see you when you were born so she visited earlier than we had originally agreed she would, and she always wanted to be the one holding you or comforting you when you cried, and she wanted to have as many pictures as possible of you, and she wanted to use a picture of you for her Christmas card, and she bought you that really annoying Elmo toy, and she was worried you might not be chubby enough, and she wanted to be the one taking care of you when you were sick even though you hated having your nose wiped!" I know these seem like unreasonable things to you, and I am not even saying they're not annoying to deal with, but someday Logan is going to have a family of his own and chances are his wife is not going to see things exactly the same way you do. What seems natural to you may be crossing the line to her, and you may not even have the ability to see how your behavior is inappropriate to her much less change it. Try to imagine how you would feel if she put Logan in a position to choose between his wife and son, or you? And even if his wife was right, wouldn't you, as Logan's mother, feel disrespected that this person who wasn't even a member of your family 10 years ago is now setting the terms of your role in Logan's life after you have spent every moment of his life trying to do what was best for him?

You will never be able to change or control others, you can only change your response to them and give them the opportunity to change themselves. It seems like you were the bigger person, giving your father a chance to become a part of your life again. Try to be the bigger person here...when you boil it down, all that she has done is give your son the level of attention and affection that you feel a mother should. It could be a lot worse.

Anonymous said...

Congratulations on standing up so strong against her. You definitely showed ALOT more compassion and kindness for her, particularly after the name calling. Me? I'd have had her in tears within minutes. But then you always were more tactful in your approach than I am. :)

I completely agree with angie. Without you, there would be no grandchild. She better suck it up and learn to behave like an adult instead of a whiney little kid, or she's going to have a very disappointing life as a grandmother.

Just out of curiosity for the last anon writer - what makes you think that Logan is going to feel "left out" (or whatever feeling you were trying to impart) if he doesn't have a particularly good relationship with the monster in law? I rarely saw my maternal grandparents and only saw my paternal grandparents twice in my life and I turned out just fine. Nobody ridiculed me or looked me at strangely when it came up that I didn't see them... it's really not that big a deal. But Kristin's already said she won't keep Logan from them (something I personally WOULD do, but that's just me), even though L has already said she won't come around or be with the family if she's there. Who's cutting off her nose to spite her face there? And I'm also not seeing where there is a choice to be made between the two women? I know my comprehension isn't the best at times, but I haven't read anywhere that Kristin was making her husband (and eventually her son) choose between them. Just curious is all.

Anonymous said...

What I see is a strong women standing up for herself and demanding respect from people (Grandma L specifically) who do wrong by her. From the begining, Grandma L has made nasty snide comments to and about Kristin. She has been controlling in the marriage and caused MANY, MANY marital problems between the two of them. I see a strong women who is actively living the lessons of a life learned. You Kristin are a role model to Logan, and you are doing a fabulous job! Logan will see that it is not ok for people to control him and tell him how to live and think. What a lucky boy to have a mother who can show this lesson through example. What a beautiful women who can maintain a calm rash voice against a MIL who is name calling and actively losing control; disowning you and trying to pull your husband into a battle of choice between you and she. True, Bill is not in a very fun place. He made a commitment to you when he married you to love you through hard times and good times. This vow was renewed when you created Logan. Marriage is a partnership between two people, not three. Bill is an adult now, not mommy's little boy. He has to think like a man and find balance in his life. Bill may need to have a discussion with a counselor on how to manage a healthy balance with his mother and you. What a strong woman to keep the door open while a MIL throws a tantrum. For the annoymous people/person to judge and tell you how to live your life is a disgrace. You have made leaps and bounds of growth in your life since I have known you (which is a lifetime). Turn a blind eye to the person who tells you how to live. Life is too short. You know this. You have lost a hero before... Grandma Nancy. The lesson that life is short and to love the people here while they are here was graciously displayed through your relationship with Grandma Nancy. How dare this stranger who knows little of you belittle and judge you. What this annoymous person fails to realize is that life is all about the relationships you have with other people, most importantly, yourself. Respecting people is part of that. A person who cannot show respect to you and who is tolerated in doing so is weakening the relationship you have with yourself. The relationship with yourself is the most important relationship you will ever have. You are strong for taking care of yourself and setting healthy boundaries around your comfort level. You are a strong woman. I am proud to call you my sister, and I love you with all of my heart. Here is to a strong woman and a lucky little boy to have her as his mother!

liz said...

I thought I'd check back to see what the Internet's were advising.

And if I hadn't said it earlier, I most certainly would say it now: holy smokes!

Sure is lively in these comments. I wish it were more conversation and support--rather than judgement.

Krisin, you know what's best for you. And you and Bill will know what is best for your family. I hope your feelings haven't been hurt by some of the assvice and strong opinions of anonymous commenters. There are some interesting nuggets in these comments, but some just aren't constructive.

I think you're brave for putting this out here in the first place. And you'll find the strength. There is a way to manage all of this, you just haven't found it yet. Sometimes the journey is the most important lesson.

[[God, is this comment riddled with cliche? ]]

Anonymous said...

I wrote the third anonymous comment, and I am sorry if it came off wrong but I was not intending to sound judgmental (I had nothing to do with the other two anonymous comments), because I really do think you're in the right Kristin. I threw my two cents in (first and last time) because I was in what I perceived to be a similiar position as yours with my MIL and SIL for several years...they interferred in my family life in many ways that were inappropriate in my opinion, and caused a lot of stress and hurt feelings, etc.

I did not mean to imply that you're saying, "Bill, choose me or your mom." What I meant is that when there is so much conflict and tension in a family it is hard for other members to feel they can have open relationships without seeming to take sides...in retrospect, I can see this was the case with my husband and I deeply regret my part of putting him in that uncomfortable situation, even though I didn't start the conflict, even though he supported me, and even though we both agreed his family was crossing the line. (I am sure his family sees this differently, BTW.) It's just one of those things where even if criticisms are on point, and even if they are things you would say yourself, it still hurts to hear somebody else say negative things about your family. Knowing he felt hurt, even if I was right, is how I didn't win even though he supported me. And even though it wasn't necessarily 'my fault,' I was still a part of perpetuating that tension.

After I had a baby, it was a little easier for me to try to be the bigger person and let it all go. It helped me to be able to see things from my MIL's perspective when I became a mother myself. I still didn't agree, but I could begin to see how she might see things, and I could imagine how hard it is going to be for me when one day I will not be my child's immediate family. And I thought there are so few people in your life who love you in truly unconditional ways, and grandparents are often some of those people...not all grandparents, but a lot of them. It doesn't mean you can't turn out fine without a relationship with a grandparent, I just meant it can be a very special bond that seems unfortnate to miss out on even if somebody's ways of caring are intrusive. Obviously there is a lot more going on in your sitatuation than I was able to read on your blog, and it should go without saying that you know you life better than anybody else.

I am sorry if I hurt your feelings, I really was just trying to offer helpful advice, because what I discovered in my situation was that it actually was much easier on me to not feel the constant stress and tension by just letting it go, and saying they are who they are and it is not my problem, and I cannot change them or the fact that they are my husband's family. And when I eased up, and they saw that, they eased up too and in many ways things slowly changed. Do they still annoy me to no end? Of course. But in my situation letting go, for the sake of peace, has been easier on me, allowed them the opportunity to changes themselves, and facilitated relationships between them, my husband, and our child without (even inadvertently) putting anybody in the position of feeling like they were taking sides. Everybody's situation is different, I was just offering what worked for me. And don't worry, this huge miscommunication has taught me not to comment on blogs again!

Kristin said...

Comments are comments & opinions are opinions. To each their own. I don't want to discourage anyone from commenting, otherwise I would have a comment moderator.

As harsh as some are, sometimes people need to hear it. I know that in this emotional situation, my judgment can be clouded. There were some points taken.